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Preventing Marble Countertop Etching

by Jonathan
(Boston, MA)

QUESTION:

Have you ever heard of s-b-s sealer or lifeguard from Aldon chemical? They say that they prevent etching in Marble to a very high degree. I would like to know if you have had experience with these products or similar and if they work well. I put a marble tile countertop in and am only now, after the install, finding out about etching and would like to prevent it if it is possible.

ANSWER:

Yes I do know about Aldon, but have not used their products. Their claim and pictures that the SBS Sealer plus Lifeguard will prevent etching is intriguing, but there's a couple caveats.

Aldon's sealer combo is a penetrating sealer that also leaves a layer on the surface and not completely below the surface like most/all other penetrating sealers. This will change the look of your stone.

If your marble is polished then note that you may have some difficulty getting the SBS and Lifeguard to absorb and bond properly. Though Aldon claims their spray on SBS is designed for low porosity surfaces like polished marble.

That's the big issue I see with these two products. They are designed to leave a glossy topical coat on your marble, which is not what most sealers are designed to do and that surface barrier is what is preventing the etching of course, which any topical coating or wax will do.

Typically a topical coat will show wear more readily than the stone itself would and need constant maintenance, but Aldon appears to claim that theirs won't and that it doesn't need stripping to touch up or reapply.

If that is true, then it could be a very good product to use for certain finishes, but I don't know that I'd recommend it for all finishes, especially honed or tumbled unless you want that "wet look." Plus honed marble doesn't show etching that badly anyway.

One more thing is that SBS contains methylene chloride which is a powerful, noxious and toxic solvent. I highly recommend using a respirator if you do use this product and also expect your house to be filled with fumes for 2-3 days.

And I wouldn't put marble sealed with Aldon in the same category as granite for use in the kitchen.

Even if marble etching can be controlled, granite is still much more durable and a better choice for kitchen countertops.

I say give it a try if you are inclined to deal with the fumes and protecting anything you don't want ruined by the solvent, but definitely test your complete application procedure on a left-over tile first to see what the sealer will do... how it will look.

If you do use it, please report back about how it goes, how you like the end result and if it works!

Good Luck,
Ryan



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Kinloch product testimony
by: Bob Chatterton

I'll back up what Kevin says here. As we are the ones that introduced EAp into the countertop market. Surface519 (my company) tested this stuff for a year before we decided to market it. I tested this on concrete/recycled glass slabs/ marble/ granite and most solid surfaces. And for a change it turned out to be a product that actually lived up to expectations. Once we were convinced it had potential we send it to the concrete contertop institute as Jeff Girard there has a very stringent and controlled testing program. He ranks the stain/etch resistance on a scale up to 100% and the EAP ranked at 97%. Also I can tell you that the ability to finish/ sand/ polish this material is a huge step to achieving the look of natural stone.

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Kinloch Comments from Kevin
by: Kevin Ormsby

Hi:
Some of you may have seen the Kinloch products on display on marble at Synergy Surfaces booth during Stone Expo. Our EAP etch proofing treatment was displayed on numerous marble and stone samples. EAP deeply penetrates marble and leaves a thin quartz-like surface on the top which resists food acid etching. It is exceptionally scratch resistant and has the tactile feel of stone once it fully cures. The installer can polish or hone the topical layer to the desired look. The same product is very popular for high-end decorative concrete counters and floors.
While this type of protection may not be right for everyone, it certainly will benefit customers who don't want to have their marble constantly re-polished to maintain its beauty. It has been installed in hotels and restaurants where appearance matters. EAP also works on numerous other surfaces to protect them long term from food acid etching, chemical solvents and graffiti.

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DON'T DO IT!
by: Lone Star Tile and Grout Cleaning San Antonio

The problem with "any" TOPICAL COATING on Natrual stone is that it creates more problems than it solves! Acid etching is very easy to fix and will not cost the customer an arm and leg....To "fix" a stone that has had a topical coating it all has to be removed! That cost the customer more money and any topical coating is prone to scuff and scare more so than just the natural polished stone. I'm the guy that has to fix the issue's years after the miricle in the blt has been applied...

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Yes you can
by: Ryan

Dennis,

Thanks for the post. What you say is mostly true. There are products that can prevent etching. They are not "green" though. Kinloch makes a type of sealer that is green, but the etching treatment is not green.

Kinloch and Aldon make topical etching preventatives. Key word is "topical." Typically you want to avoid a topical coating on stone because it doesn't allow the stone to breath. Not as big an issue with countertops, but cannot be done on floors, or walls.

Also, most topical coatings will change the look of the stone. Most look a bit plastic and many people do not like this. But as you note, the EAP can be manipulated to be shiny or honed, which is a nice feature.

Now, the product technology is improving and Kinloch's products do a good job of staying as invisible as possible... they claim that you really can't see or feel it in side by side comparison.

Also, if the stone needs repair for any reason, you'll have to grind the coating away and re-apply, which may require a larger, more expensive repair job than would have been necessary without the coating.

And this is a professional only application. Which is okay, but you have to find someone to do it for you.

So, the good news is that the potential solutions to thwart etching are getting better. Just don't know that it is a no-brainer yet. Especially since in most cases etching can be easily repaired to like new condition with a good marble polishing paste.

Certainly you could always do a sample and see if you like the look. In general, it is best to do as little to stone as possible.

I do see how this product would make sense for large commercial areas though. Will cut down on maintenance hours. You just don't have the intensity of maintenance demands in your own home.

Thanks again for your informative post!


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YES you can prevent ETCHING on...
by: Dennis

YES you can prevent Etching on Polished Marble and Polished Granite. There is a product made by KINLOCH USA from Austin Texas that has a etching and acid proof product that is also a safe "GREEN" product. I have seen it used by the Hyatt Hotel on their Polished and Honed White Marble that was full
of etch marks from food, wine, drink spills. Now after repair and using the EAP products to product
the Marble they have a polished and the food, wine, drink spills do not leave any marks even if not cleaned up for 30 hrs. It also works on HONED stone....www.kinlochglobal.com



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Don at Aldon
by: Ryan

That's good information Don! I'm sure our reader will appreciate the additional details.

Would you mind using our contact us form so I could get your email privately? I have a couple more questions for you.

Thanks,
Ryan

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For Ryan
by: Aldon Tech

Hi Ryan,

No, I was not insulted at all. It is just that it is a common thing for companies to over promise in our industry and lead people to think that miracle products do exist, just as you say.

The idea I like to get across is that Aldon, nor any other company, should be so definitive as to say use "ABC" product and you will get these results. There are too many variables in any project to create that impression, and that leads to customers being unhappy. We do not want that and have been very successful in having customers actually meet their goals. But, only they can review their project on our web site, test samples to validate their diagnosis, etc. So to us it is a simple and logical process for the customer, and we highly encourage it.

The key is the products do what we say they do. The customer needs to test to see if a product will do what they want. If not, we help them with other choices on how to get there.

In regards to one of our products, SBS Sealer. It is used on polished marble. On a porous material it absorbs in. On polished marble it leaves a glossy coating on the surface with a tight bond. It is also used on marble top patio tables with full sun exposure because it works so well. The aerosols allow for a smooth, self leveling surface that does not let acidic liquids contact the stone - therefore no etching and no damage to the sealer. Granite is wonderful, but when folks want a certain marble, this is how they achieve the benefits of granite. For non-floor applications, Lifeguard is not necessary. The sealer is extremely easy to patch.

Regards,
Don


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Info about Aldon
by: Ryan

Fair enough Don. I agree that you probably know exactly what your products will do and how to best use them.

And I'm sure you'd agree that Picasso could paint a picture and sell it for $1 million. I could use the same paint and my picture would get lauged at by any 3rd grader!

My point: I say "claims" because sometimes a product or chemical designed for a particular result yields different results when used by a person unfamiliar with it.

Often people are looking for a "miracle in a bottle" and mistakenly believe that all you have to do is slosh this stuff around and viola... everything is perfect.

Wasn't meant to insult you or your products, just to make the homeowner investigate more.

Thanks for your input!

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Some information about Aldon
by: Aldon Tech

Aldon does not make "claims" in the way you are thinking. We simply say that all our products do what we describe. The question is will it do what you want? Only the person seeing the results of a particular project is capable of making that decision. That is why we highly recommend submitting a tech request at aldonchem.com, evaluating our suggestions, then proving them right or wrong with samples before doing any kind of project.

The odor issue is simply a question of good ventilation which should be done when using any chemical products in any case.

I hope that clarifys things a bit for you.
Regards,
Don S.
Aldon Tech. Dept.

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Still thinking about it!
by: Jonathan

Thanks for your input Ryan. I am not sure if I will try the Aldon products yet. The reason I am having trouble deciding is the fact that the layer it puts on the marble, like you said, is very strong chemicals. Even when dry I am not sure how safe it would be on a surface that gets extensive use for food prep and eating. I will let you know if I do try it. Thanks again.

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